Wednesday, August 24, 2016

ASK FATHER: Is A Deconsecrated Church Still a Church?



Dear Father,
If a church is deconsecrated is it still a church? I'm asking because of the recent earthquake in Italy.  The church of Saint Francis in Cascia, after being deconsecrated is host of a pornographic art display.  Is this why God sent the earthquake to this region?
Reader Peter
Madison WI

Dear Reader Peter,
Yes. God is smiting the people of this region as well as the bishop who allowed the former church to be used in such a perverted manner.  However you can make a difference by constant ejaculatory prayers and exclamations and by purchasing a few cases of the Norcia Benedictine Beer. Please use the link on Father's blog is that Father gets a little taste too. (N.B. Beer makes a great gift for Father any time of the secular or liturgical year. )

Seriously folks,  stop and say a Pater and an Ave for those who have suffered real loss in this earthquake. There is a link to Italian Red Cross here if you can help.

100 comments:


  1. + Ejaculations, discharged!
    + Exclamations, concluded!
    + Beer, imbibed!
    + Father, happy!

    + Missum est pecuniam!

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  2. Is it just me, or is Z getting more unhinged by the week? Almost every other post now is about some impending doom that he "senses" is coming fast.

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    1. I would imagine if you just have to read his stuff you can always stop at anytime. Face to face has thinned out the crowd a bit. What is left is the private revelation and non S & M chastisement crowd.
      Note: "Captain Cracked" never blogs about that crowd possibly fearing he would have no one to share with at all.

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    2. I rarely give him the satisfaction of one more click, but since he saw fit to send his groupies to NCR this week to wreak havoc in the comments, I took a gander. I see nothing of any use whatever on his blog that actually WORKING FOR HIS LIVING and serving within his priesthood wouldn't help. He has too much time on his (consecrated) hands and is indeed going 'round the bend. Conspiracy nuts scare the crap outta me, especially one with guns.

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    3. Well, I imagine they have been "out" most of their lives. And conspiracy seems to be a way of payback for all the injustices they have had to endure all their lives--I think for once they are finally in-charge of their own lives.
      They probably don't even trust each other, but their is the opportunity to play the game "I am the boss."
      As far as guns go, it gives them the courage to have a somewhat normal (what is seem on TV) relationship with women--who might or might not know they are packing.

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  3. Z is nuts. I know. I live in Madison.

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    1. If only you Anonymous folks in Madison would share what you know! Si vis pacem, para bellum - as somebody with too many secrets recently said.

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    2. I know when I was looking at UW for my PhD, the Newman Centre was pretty quick to disavow any affiliation with him.

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    3. I WONDER WHY? A man such as father Z must have an amazing rapport with college-age folks since they are all truly searching for Catholic Tradition and the One and Only True aandHoly Mass for All Time, the 1962 Roman Missal. I'm surprised the students, of their own accord, have not requested the Traditional Latin Mass. Perhaps they know their best bet is joining the Latin Mass Society of Madison. Yeah. That's it.

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    4. Would that be the same Newman Center where the Extravagantly Ordinary basically lost a generation of Madison's flock by being his arrogant self? Because there's more to disavow

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    5. I would be hesitant of any priest who has amazing rapport with college-age folks. Like he is a nice guy or something?? They never tell us what scams they were taught in the seminary, or what other priests are (or at least masters of antibullshit defensive tactics)--to give the impression they have been there and done that, and just join my combat rosary club so I can get a real job in the diocese (chump!).

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    6. This would be the same Madison in Wisconsin where they seem to be unable to raise the necessary funds for a new, garish, Neo-Baroque Newman Center? Or whose St. Raphael Cathedral was destroyed in a fire in 2005 and there doesn't seem to be any movement to replace it other than to merge three parishes to form the "Cathedral Parish"? The last mention of a "cathedral" on the diocesan newspaper's website is from 2008. Is this not a priority or is this basic dysfunction? Inquiring minds want to know?

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    7. Bread and Games. Don't think about the cathedral. More lace, more birettas, more complaining, more various attacks of (Clerical) "Happy Feet"--the old Steve Martin routine.

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  4. My View For Awhile: Inertia Edition
    Posted on 24 August 2016 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

    "Inertia describes the tendency of bodies to resist a change in motion unless acted upon by outside forces. Bodies in motion tend to stay in motion while bodies at rest tend to stay at rest unless moved by some influence. I’ve not been traveling much for a goodly period. I’ll be traveling quite a bit in the near future.
    I haven’t been iners while not traveling. It will be good to have a break, even though it required me to be up at O dark hundred."

    Another mystery trip for some R-and-R?
    Risible: "I had to wake up early to catch a flight." Maybe he really is cracking.

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    1. Perhaps the Reverend Sister Mary Inertia,SOB has been called upon to give a conference for the seminarians on the acquisition and application of antique lace to modern modern linens.

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  5. The people struck by the earthquake need our prayers.

    The recent earthquake made me look up the boozy 'Monks of Norcia'.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/birra-nursia-brewed-american-monks-italy-hits-u-s-shelves-n520071
    It turns out that they're almost all bearded microbrewers from the United States. Like many of these types (alert: personal estimation) they excel at promoting their business as some sort of old-timey artisanal craft (they started up the monastery in 2000). Search the internet, if you dare, for Mast Brothers chocolate in Brooklyn. Reportedly, it's inedible, overpriced, and aimed at suckers.
    Am I being unfair? Quite possibly. But their website is way too slick for my taste - it's another one of those 'dazzle the donors' productions. It gives me the impression that they want me to think that ordering their overpriced booze is a corporal work of mercy.

    Then again, maybe this is just the bad taste left in my mouth by Zildo's BUY ME BEER CLUB requests.
    However, it sounds like Amatrice got hammered. This is the place that gave the name to the famous spaghetti all’amatriciana. People are, as I write, trapped. I have Sky going. [on four monitors? Are there clocks on the wall showing the time around the world too? Is he being handed news like Walter Cronkite?]

    5 August: #InternationalBeerDay
    Posted on 5 August 2016 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf
    Because of the great esteem I have for you, I want to remind you all that today is International Beer Day.
    I can’t think of a better way to commemorate this day than to… well, other than sending me a donation… than to patronize the Benedictine Monks of Norcia and to obtain some of their wonderful beer: Birra Nursia!
    It’s some of the best beer I’ve had. And… you help real monks!


    Monks peddling so much booze they need help:

    Interesting job opportunity with Benedictines of Norcia
    Posted on 24 June 2015 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf
    The marvelous monks of Norcia, Italy, have a job opening for a Director of Communications.
    Wow. It’s a new era of the world when a monastery needs a director of communications. Once upon a time, monks reached out to the world through their scriptoria. Now they reach out to the world through best-selling chant CDs and websites.
    I suppose this role will help the monks stay focused on what they really need to do: “ora et labora” is, after all, their thing.


    I forgot about the chant CDs! They probably make great drink coasters.

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    1. In some ways it seems to be the monastic equivalent of a typical US "study abroad" program: enthusiastic young American folks living in an idealized bubble of European culture and pretty much keeping to themselves.

      Props to them for actually following the venerable rule of St Benedict, and anyone who sings Gregorian chant and brews beer is clearly on the right track, but their publicity machine seems much too slick and overproduced. Something is just a bit off somehow. And $15 for a pint and a half of beer? I come from a region famous for its beer, and these fellows would be laughed out of town.

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  6. Anti-Ordinariate bishops herd members of the ecclesial structure into remote “Mass centres” where they don’t want to be and won’t survive. It’s time our new fellow Catholics turned round and reminded their Lordships that they have no jurisdiction over them – and that, if the Church in England and Wales continues its deplorably mean policy of hanging on to every last parish building, then they will buy their own churches.
    But first we have to sort out the money, say the permanently anxious old guard of the Ordinariate.
    [The Lacy Boy’s shows again that he really does not give a damn about the Anglo-Pretend- Catholics like Mother Hunniwicka Pathologica of Oxford Latin grade school. No. Here’s the Entrepreneur’s classic self-referential party piece as in:
    First, you need risk-taking local leaders with a mission that attracts donors.


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  7. Posted on 28 August 2016 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf
    "In case you haven’t seen it yet at the Daily Mail:
    Terror in Indonesia: Axe-wielding ISIS jihadi, 18, stabs Catholic priest, 60, before trying to blow up hundreds of worshippers during Sunday Mass

    It’s coming to a neighborhood near you."

    "It's coming to a neighborhood near you"???
    Sounds like a good argument for versus populum.

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  8. Z's fantasy is some terrorist stands up and starts shouting Allahu Akbar, and Z pulls out whatever weapon he's packing and blows him away. It's really a sick, Death Wish/Dirty Harry type fantasy world that has pretty much zero basis in Catholic tradition about the priesthood or Christian ministry.

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    1. Another post by the Z'sturbator spoke of a Mass for reparations of blasphemies and sacriliges. Why in all the pictures didn't they show a congregation?

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  9. And here’s some more Pantomine Horse and Staw Man material from Lacy Boy the increasingly Desperate and Clueless:
    “From a reader… and please note that when I get emails with strings of questions I usually delete them instantly. Answering this is an exception to the rule, which I indicate clearly on the ASK FATHER form. If ya’ll want me to read your email, do me the kindness of reading what I wrote.
    QUAERUNTUR:
    We’ve heard plenty, and readers agree, about the superiority of the extraordinary form. We also agree that the novus ordo can be done well, but that it far too often isn’t. We also know, as all recent evidence proves, of the extraordinary form’s blessings.
    [1] So why is the extraordinary form so disliked by some bishops and clergy?
    [2] What are the best arguments they have in the favor of the novus ordo?
    [3] What reasons do they use to cling to it, given its by now obvious flaws? Was there ever a clown or giant puppet mass before Vatican 2?
    That reasons many priests give on keeping an obviously flawed mass can only be described as Jesuitical. But this is a mere layperson’s view.
    What’s yours?”


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    1. There were many clown masses before Vatican II. They were just called "sung Masses" in those days.

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    2. What were the Masses in Boston before they got tagged?
      I'll take a "clown Mass" any day, although I have never seen one except (photoshopped) on the Brillcream ordo home page.

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    3. I saw a second rate con working that scam some years ago: Roman Collar, old time plastic and steel glasses,semi rubber smile and trying to make eye contact as he walk in downtown--what gave him away was the Brillcream wethead with prominenty parted hair--that was even before the theatre minor flunk-outs at Novus Ordo Watch.
      FYI. It wasn't Z.

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    4. Fr. D,
      If Novus Ordo Voyeurs ever hire Nicholson or DiCaprio for a scam we are in trouble.

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    5. Those clown mass photoshopped things are so cheaply made, phony and low end propaganda they had to be put together by trads.
      Zed's so called liberals are all art student drop outs who are too aesthete (so they might imagine) for such fare.

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  10. It's odd that Z is now attacking the other one true church by enlisting the support of some canon law expert. Don't they realize that they could destroy years of intense ecumenical discussions? Orthodox conservatives may feel that their warnings against any interactions with the graceless papic church will be more than justified.

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    1. Look on the bright side. There are cranks in both Churches, both use 1950's retro and Brillcream.

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    2. That canon law expert is newly ordained, being tested by the diocese and being saved by Zed--without strings attached mind you.
      If he passes the Zed test he will have his own blog within the year. If he flunks the diocesan pastoral check-out program, he will have his won blog within the year.

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  11. ASK FATHER: Does God know the names of public employees?
    Posted on 31 August 2016 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

    From a reader…
    QUAERITUR:

    As the anniversary of 9/11 approaches I would like to have mass said for the members of the NYPD and FDNY who died on 9/11. Sadly, when added up that means several hundred names. Can a priest simply say a mass for “all members of the NYPD and FDNY” or do they have to be named individually. And thank for for always supporting cops.

    First, thank you for praying for the souls of first responders, especially for LEOs, for whom I have a warm heart. [a warm "heart" because unlike firefighters, law enforcement officers carry The Guns. Clear ammosexual tendencies here.]
    Yes, you can pray for “all members” [gulp!] of the police department and the fire department who died on that day and because of the ill-effects of what they experienced. God knows them, and you know them too. You don’t have to say all their names individually for the intention for Holy Mass.
    When we have intentions for a specific group, we have a moral intention to pray for them all. For example, you might have an intention for...the Donors of Fr. Z’s Blog (for whom I pray regularly).


    Turning a 9/11 memorial mass into a solicitation for cash money and an opportunity to let his ammosexual freak flag fly.

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  12. His latest "It's coming soon" post is just ridiculous.

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  13. The Lard Ass’ travelling Simony store goes North and claiming another lean 31th of the Month to fund the dodgy R&R.

    RECENT POSTS and Mass for Benefactors
    Posted on 31 August 2016 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

    "Tomorrow I head “up north”. I will take my wonderful portable altar made by St. Joseph’s Apprentice.
    During my time “up north” I will say Mass for the intention of my benefactors (regular monthly and occasional donors, people who send stuff from my wish lists) on Sunday, 4 Sept.
    Speaking of benefactors, today, the 31st of the month is one of the lean days. There are only two readers who have subscribed to give a monthly donation on the 31st. If you are regularly using and benefiting from this blog, please consider subscribing. There are several options in the drop down menu.

    Some options





    Your help is greatly appreciated. It is my pleasure and my duty to pray for benefactors. And I always remember, DY and GS.
    Meanwhile, here are some of my posts from the recent past. They scroll off the front page pretty quickly."

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  14. Is a defective man who scammed his way through a seminary still a priest??

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    1. Not sure.
      Since no priest ever says "bullshit" in public it means they do not know about that particular spirit.

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  15. Lacy Boy’s grand plan continues to unravel. What a pathetic misery-guts muttering his contempt for the Church in the Third World while hypocritically brown nosing Roberta Sarah:
    “One thing that occurred to me is that by squishing four dicasteries that usually have a Cardinal as their head into one dicastery, he eliminated three curial cardinal positions. This is what I predicted he would do shortly after he was elected: he would cut down the Curia and, thereby, shift power away from the Curia to regions. If he wants to maintain the number of electors – and he probably will – he can now give a red hat to three bishops “out there” somewhere in the world, not excluding Maseru in Lethoso, Juneau in Alaska, or even Tawara, Nauru and Funfati.
    Whom shall he choose!
    Time will tell.”

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    1. If a guy looking like Miss Sarah moved into his neighborhood the Zuhlsturbator would mess himself.

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    2. Rant on Catholics Come Home Videos:
      Dollars and cents are missing, eternal life without being a cleric(al)?
      Repentance for being an ass?
      No mention of vestments.
      Rectory environment as the tolerant laity?
      Promoting "clerical rites," We want a more comfortable life, care for one's Buick, and dreams of a Lexus.
      *Shocking even EWTN can't be bullshited.

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  16. It can be interesting to look at a random Z blog post from c. 2006, and compare it with a decade later...the tone has become progressively nastier, pettier, more delusional, more arrogant...

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    1. ......they changed his medication again.

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    2. He never used to be a "traditionalist" either, indeed he was careful to distance himself from them. I suppose there is a lucrative niche in "traditionalism" these days. s an active Actonite, his fidelity to the free market is unquestionable!

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  17. “Kudos to Archbp. Myers ( says Lacy Boy himself, for suspending the gay priest)
    While I would rather see this guy change his ways and work to undo some of the scandal he has caused, my only comment until that happens is: Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.”
    The dim-witted one, it appears, doesn’t get it yet that this is exactly what will happen to him probably much sooner than later. That might explain to some extent the accelerated spiral into focal delusionality and extremist survivalism.

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    1. There are many more who support rights for all then the ever continuing privilege of the vexatious dim bulb Dominie of Velletri.

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  18. Heavenly Father I implore your help. I have just read the Zuhlsdorf blog and had sympathetic feelings for Hillary Clinton.

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  19. OMG, Anonymous@8:20pm, I felt the very same way. I almost called her headquarters to get a Hilary sign for my front lawn. I also almost ran up to the local contemplative convent to light candles for Hilary to vanquish utterly Trump and his sacerdotal minions.

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    1. I put my Hilarious signs to a higher and better use. I had a rat problem in my container garden. I surrounded the area with those signs soaked in cat piss. The rats left.

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    2. Way to stay classy.

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    3. Sorry for the offense but Hillary's dismal record deserves it. Too many dead children in wars Obama/the Clintons could have done more to stop.

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  20. I see Zilch has ripped off the US Special Forces on his personal coat of arms. Look at the US Army Special Forces branch insignia and then Zilch's. He fancies himself some special forces guy, but the last time I looked special forces had special skills and actually did things. Zilch has and does neither. What a fake pretender. Stolen valor?

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    1. Stolen valor is not applicable to Z. While he lives out a fantasy life he's not wearing or profiting from any false devices or military uniform elements.

      I don't believe it unlawful to impersonate a priest.

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    2. Why is it so easy to impersonate Zed?

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    3. I wonder where you get those templates to make a clerical coat of arms. I have my own design all ready: On a lozenge Gules, per fess in chief, the Moon in Her Plenitude argent, in base Wooden Spoon proper. Motto: Peccantes et colaphizati suffertis sed (1 Ptr 2:20). Clerical hat etc...

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    4. ^^^^^^^YOU ARE A DIRTY WHORE

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    5. Wow, John the boy priest wannabe really DOES read this blog.

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    6. "On a lozenge Gules, per fess in chief, the Moon in Her Plenitude argent, in base Wooden Spoon proper."

      you stop that this minute

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  21. The first week of September has already passed and Con Fool$dorf's rectal thermometer is still at $0.
    Is he personally wealthy or does him mom give him an allowance?
    Priestboy now has FOUR Amazon wishlists. The latest is dedicated to buying him Ham radio equipment. Who can ask for a $1300 toy without shame or embarressment?
    Can you imagine if your parish priest introduced a personal wishlist to your parish?! "Hey folks! Buy me Ham radio equipment and ammunition! And these junk self-published Kindle 'novels' about shooting hungry strangers when the economy collapses!"

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  22. The quietly subversive Fr Jim gets the jump on Lead Ass once again:
    frjim4321 says:
    6 September 2016 at 8:23 PM

    "Ran 7 miles on Sunday afternoon and 5 miles today in the glorious sunshine. After a seven-year rehab. Tomorrow is swimming, so hope to swim a mile and then lift for an hour and that will be it for the exercise until Friday. Happy to be alive and able to do all that."

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    1. Zagano has a doctorate and is a retired military officer. Fr. Jim is in good shape... Deaconette has a successful new blog. Father D is a genius. The Zuhlsturbator has a lot to be pissed off about.

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    2. Do I? I'll consider it successful when Velletri-Segni recalls Father Z to serve as its Vice-Chancellor for Ecumenical Affairs.

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    3. But what if they don't have the budget for the additional janitor?

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    4. Well, I'm sure they're just waiting for the Director of Cemeteries to retire.

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  23. The Zuhlsturbator's blog is non responsive. Could it be????

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  24. Lacy Boy can’t help himself insisting that Francis’ magisterium is meaningless unless interpreted via JP II, B XVI and the Cardinals Ten:

    “Remember: Our study of Amoris laetitia must be done through the lens of the Church’s whole magisterial body of perennial, previous teaching, including but not limited to the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Familaris consortio.

    Also, may I recommend once again this supremely useful tool? Priests, especially, should have it. I have heard that some priests are using this book with great effect in their preparation of couples for matrimony.” [ie, The Cardinals 10 and their fire sale penny dreadful]


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    1. Zed would do well to read Benedict the XIV (1758) "Sick persons and frentics (frenzied), those who suffer from melancholy, or from an excess of bile, those who are agitated in there thoughts or vehement in their affections, easily come to decide they have seen what does not exist or to have the impression of seeing when in fact they are seeing nothing."

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  25. Mr. Zuhlsdorf, we Methodists have ordained women since 1954 and fundamentally don't really care what you think. Your attempts to insult us as non Catholics, the women expressing their love of Christ within the walls of this Methodist Church building, your own Catholic women in pursuit of the diaconate and beyond, liberals, your Holy Father as he lives being the true Vicar of Christ and Professor Zagano who exceeds you intellectually and militarily amount to nothing.

    Remember, in order for words to be a valid insult, the person against who the words are directed has to care what you think in the first place.

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  26. Mein Gott im Himmel!
    The Grifter of Graz, Imposter of Österreich, and Layaway Layabout, Johann Zuhlsdorf has a serious cash flow problem. Two weeks into September and his rectal cash-o-meter is still under $1800! That's barely 20 subscriptions to the Nursia LooMonks Club! But it's so seductively delectable! Just check out the description from the LooMonks website:
    Extra 750ml
    Birra Nursia Extra has a beguiling dark brown hue with luminous ruby reflections and a creamy, frothy head.

    Meanwhile, he's leavin' on a jet plane for The Deep South:
    This isn’t a day I would have chosen as my best day for travel. Mass was reeeeally early...
    MY GOD, EARLY MASS!

    But is wasn't too early to post a musical playlist, including Steely Dan's 'Reelin in the Years':
    Lyrics:
    You been tellin' me you're a genius
    Since you were seventeen
    In all the time I've known you
    I still don't know what you mean
    The weekend at the college
    Didn't turn out like you planned
    The things that pass for knowledge
    I can't understand


    [Chorus]

    I spend a lot of money
    And I spent a lot of time
    The trip we made in Hollywood
    Is etched upon my mind
    After all the things we've done and seen
    You find another man
    The things you think are useless
    I can't understand




    Extra 750ml
    Birra Nursia Extra has a beguiling dark brown hue with luminous ruby reflections and a creamy, frothy head.

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  27. Nat says:
    12 September 2016 at 4:38 PM
    Nat says: “What I am not liking is the mixed messages we keep getting from actual faithful clergy on these sorts of matters. One day, we hear, “Put on your spiritual armour! Know your Faith. Argue when you can. Stand up for your Faith!”
    Then it is… “Well, hold on a minute there… Maybe he really means something else? Are you sure you know enough to actually say something? You could be wrong, I mean, look at the grand scheme of things. The Church has survived worse than this.”

    Lump of Iron retorts: “[There’s is no disconnect between “Put on your armor” and “Hold on a minute.” What I see on the part of some is rather like what the 13th Light Dragoons did at Sevastopol. The brave “600” buckled it up and then charged into a double envelopment and cannon fire. I’ll bet that charge was grand, but they failed in their objective (which was, in fact, the wrong objective anyway). The English at Agincourt didn’t charge the French line. They buckled up and then stood and waited for them to charge.]”


    Nat continues: “Seriously, Fr. Z. I read this here often and I am often discouraged. Be Ready… now Be Quiet?

    The Lump, testily: “[Yes. We are the Church Militant, not the Church Panicky, or the Church Reckless.]

    Nat is allowed to continue his sentence: I do see at times why the Society stays where they are. They actually know what they believe and what they will stand for…. the rest of us are stuck in a tailspin. I hope things are better for my grandchildren… “

    Lump of Iron now back in Bessemer’s converter: “[“stuck in a tailspin?” Calm down. We have a vast body of good, clear teaching. We have the sacraments. We have the perspective of history. What good does it do you – or anyone reading or listening – to have a nutty. Popes come and go, even in our lifetimes. We need cool heads… especially if we are in a tail spin! I can help people sort through this, but only if they aren’t running in circles waving their hands in the air and shouting “WE’RE ALL GONNA DIIIIIEEEEEE! The more difficult we perceive the situation to be, the smarter we have to be, and the more determined to make sure that our own houses are in order.]”

    The ignorant clown was not listening if and when the Thomistic tract on Prudence (epikeia) was taught. More evidence of just how dangerous it is for bishops to allow theologically and pastorally inept characters like Zuhlsdorf anywhere near the People of God.


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    1. .....that's why he flashes in Religious Goods stores, general priesthood.com affairs, other peoples parishes and not in theological libraries.
      The rubber smile might get you a discount but not theological acumen.

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  28. So, it was just our bad luck that fat ass stumbled into St. Agnes and not nuns singing Kumbaya: He writes:
    "Would I have entered into communion in the Catholic Church had my first experience of Catholicism been in some dreadful municipal airport with My Little Pony music and dopey preaching by Father (now Bishop) Fatty McButterpants that wouldn’t have dented my rejected Lutheran catechism? I can’t say for sure, but God brought me to St. Agnes and not to the “Engendering Togetherness Community of Welcome” and “On Eagle’s Wings.” I had been a musician for a while by the time I walked into that church, and a good one. I had Latin and Greek by then. Like I say, I don’t know for sure what a church service with “Joy Is Like The Rain” would have done for me… or “Gather Us In”, but I suspect things would have turned out differently."
    And what irony that he would call someone "Fatty McButterpants." What's that passage of scripture about looking into a mirror and promptly forgetting what one looks like?

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    1. He plays the fake 'beauty' card whenever he tells his fabricated conversion story. "I was stunned by the BEAUTY of the mass [of 1962]."
      He jettisoned his friends and those who cared about him (except his mother) after a priest encouraged his self-loathing to expand into full-blown narcissism. Consequently, as he proudly tells it, he was expelled by two seminaries because they weren't good enough for him.
      Is a Latin mass truly 'beautiful'? I feel like the mincing clerics and their minions aren't being honest about this. They believe it's authoritative, the official expression of God on earth - so they conclude it must be Good, True, and Beautiful.
      Are six candles on an altar more beautiful than none? Is cosplay by Gammarelli truly 'beautiful' or more than a bit campy?
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosplay

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    2. I'm sure that there is a more substantive analysis that could be done, but I'm often suspect of "conversions" like Z's. I believe that there are genuine conversions to Catholicism or any new way of life. In our day, we see many conversions that are more a running from something (women priests, acceptance of gay clergy/same-sex marriage) than drawn to something like the truth of the new "way." And there are those whose lives have become so out of control in one way or another that they cling to a new way with a rigorism and fear of falling back into their old way. It's not that the latter two could not be the initial impetus to a genuine conversion, but I don't see it in evidence of what I read from many converts. I do not know their hearts, obviously, but I can read their words which are a window therin. So, Latin Mass beautiful? Sure, it could be. But more critical is what need is it responding to? There I think we find a variety of answers, and not all of them pretty!

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    3. Yes, the Latin Mass is beautiful. That's the problem. It's easy to be beguiled by the aesthetics of it. It takes a bit more study, and a developed understanding of its texts and semiotics, to see that it embodies an outmoded authoritarian ecclesiology and a medieval, feudal model for our relationship with God.

      If you don't get the genuine aesthetic appeal of MR 1570 with music by Haydn and costumes by Gammarelli, you won't understand how shallow-minded guys like Z get sucked into the whole traddy mess. It's like a poppy - the beauty is real enough; so is the poison.

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  29. He wouldn't recognise beauty if he tripped over it. All one sees on his website is garish bad taste.

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    1. That's true. And all the pictures on the top banner are of churchmen or church buildings. I don't think he has a single one of Jesus Christ or Our Lady. Quite revealing, really.

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    2. 3:12 PM:

      I am presuming that the Lard Ass is of the opinion that there is no money to be made out of Jesus Christ, the BVM or any other centre stage Gospel characters.
      The loot is in the lunar exotics.

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  30. My Spew For Awhile: escape from swamp ass edition
    Posted on 16 September 2016 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

    Off I go again.

    We are in the wretched boarding phase, during which everyone in an aisle seat is reduced to a meat turnstile by those who have no sense either of their depth and girth as augmented by packs and purses, or of the presence of other human beings around them.

    No I did not buy this at the Strand [Ironic book title: 'Nothing Superfluous], though it would have been great to be able to do so. [i.e. in New York. Are you impressed yet?]

    I spoke by phone with the author recently. [Fr. James Jackson, FSSP] He’s a great fellow. I look forward to meeting him in person before too long. [about a personal petition? Fr. Con Foolsdorf, FSSP?]

    UPDATE:
    Waiting. Leaning.
    [PHOTO: tactical backpack, undersized combat boots, oversized thighs]

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  31. Meanwhile on two separate blogs the Rev'd Mother and a fag hag are pillorying the pope to no end.

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  32. http://aleteia.org/2016/09/16/pope-francis-world-is-tired-of-charming-liars-and-trendy-priests-and-bishops/

    Oof. Can't wait to see the Zeppelin carpet bomb this one!

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    1. Thanks for the link!
      Duly zinged.

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    2. Where are the birettas, lace, brocade, silk and cappa magnae in all this?

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  33. Leaping Lacy Boy!

    "He also told the newly-appointed bishops to accompany their priests “with patient care.” “I ask you as well to act with great prudence and responsibility in receiving candidates or incardinating priests into your local churches. Please have prudence and responsibility in this. Remember that, from early times, there has been an inseparable relationship between the local Church and its priests, and a vagabond clergy, or one moving from one place to another, was never accepted. And this is the disease of our times.”

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    2. At first I laughed and thought, "Haha! It sounds like Francis discovered Zildo's blog!"

      But then I realized there must be many Zildo's sliding from one place to another.

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    3. Zed's not clericus vagus, he just working the old "I on important business," scam.

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  34. (Face Palm !!)
    It looks like Lacy-boy has just heard that the Chelsea area of New York City has a large number of homosexuals. I just know that this was DEVASTATING news to him.

    HA! You cannot make this guy up.

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  35. It's late September, and not an update from Father Z, I mean Fr. D. Is the dear Father okay? Should We be offering spiritual bouquets a la SSPX for him?

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    1. Father D. is fine.
      He has other things to do (like being a priest)
      besides blogging all day, everyday.

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    2. It IS late September and Zildo's rectal cash-o-meter is at a flaccid $3206! If that's the average from now own, that works out to $38,000/year, far below the requested $6K/month or $72K/year "before" taxes. *cough* *cough*
      $38K is fine if you're single, live rent-free, and enjoy a low tax bracket.
      Wait, is Zildo incorporated and registered as a business of any kind? All his income could be corporate if it's reported at all.
      But $38K runs out REAL fast when you're jetting around the world, splurging on electronic gadgets, and eating gourmet cuisine and overstuffed pastrami sandwiches.


      In early October I am heading to Italy again for a pilgrimage. After the first pilgrimage, I’ll remain in Italy, mostly in Rome, so I can take part in the Summorum Pontificum pilgrimage at the end of October. [one month!]

      Grasping for a zombie supplied discount for his latest gadget:
      Note: If you use my link to get a KeepGo, I will get some complimentary data added to my account because of the referral. HERE

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    3. Jack Hackett's biggest fanSeptember 21, 2016 at 2:27 PM

      The IRS tends to be hands off of churches and clergy. Any discipline or justice for the zsturbator will have to come from the Church itself.

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    4. That's simply not true, Jack Fan.

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    5. Absolutely true. They are not interested in a two-bit hustler.

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    6. Joyce Meyer, Charles Stanley, Reverend Ike, that prune looking asshole behind CBN or is it TBN, the 700 Club, Rick Warren and a myriad of others would have been sent packing except for the basic truth in my original assertion.

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    7. Joyce Meyer, Charles Stanley, Reverend Ike, that prune looking asshole behind CBN or is it TBN, the 700 Club, Rick Warren and a myriad of others would have been sent packing except for the basic truth in my original assertion.

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  36. Here's the Grasping one disclaiming any financial interest in stipends of the 30 day kind:

    "I am not vouching for any of the priests. That’s up to you.

    And, just to be crystal clear, I have no part in the stipend or anything else once you have made your contact on your own."

    This must be the only damn thing on his whole fund raising blog that he is not out to flog off something for his own financial benefit.

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    1. .......it can be a con with the extraordinary form. The so-called Low, High, Solemn High.
      Retro 50's priest sez "What's the difference between a High Mass and a Solemn High Mass--$20".

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    2. For Solemn High..... of course don't use REAL Deacons, but "priests" who gave consent for Diaconate ordination and Not for priesthood.

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  37. The exotic and eccentric 1570 Lacy boy giving a self-serving spray in the direction to one of the oldest ecclesial Traditions in existence:
    “I don’t know Syriac, so I can’t compare these to the original, but… dang, this wouldn’t be good at all.
    If this is accurate, and if this is representative of how Maronites might be praying if they use English, and if they stick to this, then their identity will be devastated.
    “Enriched” Reform Version? REALLY?!?
    Devastated.
    I hope this a) isn’t true and b) is only one (little used) option.” The very same comments could well apply to the Pretender himself.

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  38. Just caught that!!
    I hope Zed:
    a) "isn't true"
    b) "is only one (little used) option".

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