Tuesday, August 25, 2015

Sometimes Karma Is A Bitch

Sometimes she really is a bitch...

Aloha from Hawaii from H.E. Cardinal Levada


Father D dedicates this one to the sisters of the LCWR.
Not that I always agree with them, but because they (well their working members have) have been in the trenches and been under appreciated for too long.

In case you have not yet read about, here you go. 

Perhaps Otis Cardinal Levada and San Fran Sal can can hit the same DUI class together.

At least he didn't hit another car and drive away on his way to his family home.

CHEERS!

89 comments:

  1. +McVinney of Providence would always have a driver usually a guy dressed as a chauffeur although I seem to recall +Dan Riley at the wheel. Once late on a Sunday night I did see +McVinney with his zuchetto atop his white mane driving himself home to the cathedral rectory, probably from his sister Mary's 'house' on the east side. If only Bobbie Joe as well as Levada had taken lessons from the master.

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    1. Well, well, well.....a BLAST from the past....the Drunko de tutti Drunkos.

      Let's see...having to be held up on either side by priests while at public urinals....too drunk for confirmation, so Danny would get the call that Russ "was under the weather" and have to drive in from Fall River for a proper conferral of the Holy Ghost (back then).

      It is my understanding that he really went over the edge of darkness when Kelly left and attempted marriage.....not a sober night after that...and death followed soon after. Poor Skeffington could not get his head to stop leaking, ruining a number of miters.

      Memories, but of course, back then, a phone call could take care of everything, that is to say, if the Protestants at the Providence Journal EVER wanted to sell another newspaper again.

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  2. Even a "prince" should learn to call a taxicab.

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  3. I have been thinking long and hard and I think Cilla Black after 70 years deserved better.

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  4. Yes, one would think these vestments would have gone to the Salvation Army some time ago. A throwback from the 70s I guess.

    http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6286454.ece/ALTERNATES/s510b/Bishop-Tom-Williams.jpg

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    1. Sorry, you're dead wrong... the vestment, part of the new corporate uniform for Liverpool clergy, was commissioned within the last year. The rainbow design is taken from one of the pricey Kasperite pillars (the artist was a good pal of cardinal Kasper) around the cathedral precinct. Kasper is king in Liverpool - he even came in person to bless the rainbow pillars.
      http://www.hfltd.com/news/post/chrism-mass-2015/

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  5. Let's not forget +Thomas "i hit a cat, a dog, a rock, something" O'Brien of Phoenix when he drove home from a parish and killed a man walking across the street and then drove to the chancery and hid in the "bunker" for a few days. He said he wasn't drunk, but he was!

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  6. Or Bobby Mac! On suspended license for hit& run!

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  7. I am certain that William Cardinal Levada has experienced great sorrow as the result of his DUI sin and arrest. I am certain that he has confessed his sin in question and performed his penance.

    Cardinal Levada, my brother in Christ, I have prayed for you...please pray for me.

    His Holiness Pope Francis has exhorted us time and again to flee Satan. Pope Francis has warned repeatedly that Satan prowls the earth in search of souls to plunge into Hell.

    William Cardinal Levada's public failing in question has spurred me to consider deeply the sins that I have committed today and throughout my life. I am ashamed of myself.

    I have also considered today the deep shame and horror that must come with having one's sin(s) broadcast via worldwide news media outlets. I am embarrassed and horrified that a few folks are aware of my sins.

    Therefore, I have great sympathy for the embarrassment and horror that Cardinal Levada has experienced as the result of his DUI arrest having been disseminated via the news media.

    William Cardinal Levada, my brother in Christ, please know that God has used your situation to rekindle in me the reality that I must embrace greater humility and holiness.

    Cardinal Levada, my brother in Jesus Christ, you are far from alone when it comes to sin. I lead the pack by far in that regard.

    Peace be with you, Cardinal Levada. I sympathize with you,

    Pax.

    Mark Thomas

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    1. A bit over the top, Mark, dear. You cannot be "certain" of Levada's "great sorrow," that he has "confessed ...and performed his penance." Those are simply (kind) but wishful thoughts of your own. That he may have experienced "deep shame and horror" from his action through the media is the penalty of 1) a criminal action that puts innocent people at risk; 2) the result of his princely station in the institutional Church.

      Your public display of "humility" appears as just the opposite, although I certainly will not be the one to question your veracity or integrity.

      Whom do you think you are impressing here? God (Who knows your real motives and intentions), Levada (who almost certainly does not read this blog), or the rest of us (who don't give two fucks?) Just wondering.

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    2. Mark, your passive aggressive, sickly sweet sanctimonious and longwinded comments have become tiring even for me. Cardinal Levada has been a ladder climbing clerical careerist that has stepped on backs to get to the top. Once there he advanced the careers of his friends and flunkies and tightened the vice on the fingers of anyone he thought had slighted him or his sycophants, in the past.
      Levada was a miserable prick. Perhaps God has used his weakness and DUI to humble him. I pray this is so. Glory to God that no one was harmed by his behavior.
      It is time for you to develop your own blog or move on to someone elses. I've got one nerve left, and you're plucking at it like a guitar string.

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  8. Sympathy for Levada? Really? I have no sympathy for the drunk SOB at all. I had a friend in college who was killed by a drunk driver while he was jogging. Cut in half actually. They found one half in one place and the other half several yards away. Thank God nothing like that happened here but it sure as shit could have. He and Law and Mahoney and all of the other sociopaths need to be put on a slow boat to China. What a bunch of fuck ups.

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  9. Don't forget that Saucy Sal had a....ahem..."young male adult" in the car with him when he was racing around hammered in the middle of the night. One wonders what the plan was after mom got dropped off...

    http://shadowproof.com/2012/08/30/young-male-foreign-exchange-student-in-car-with-drunk-sf-archbishop-to-be/

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  10. +Sal Cordileone: his nickname at the NAC was "rat-face!"

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  11. OMG, Janet, and I thought I was the only one to remember all that. I suspect that the Anglo-Catholics at the Journal understood His Excellency's drinking, and they always enjoyed vexing +Higgins.

    Compared with LouisE and George they were rather amusing.

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    1. LEG is a sociopath that should be in prison. Were he in office today, he most likely would be. Frog bastard.

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    2. Had the blogs, video and cameras on phones and the other technical advances that have come along the last fews come sooner, I'm willing to bet LEG would DEFINITELY be in jail. Talk about 9 lives! A disgrace.

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    3. Oh my! Imagine that one with a camera phone!

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  12. MiddleRdAugust 26, 2015 at 2:29 PM..."Sympathy for Levada? Really? I have no sympathy for the drunk (deleted) at all. I had a friend in college who was killed by a drunk driver while he was jogging. He and Law and Mahoney and all of the other (deleted) need to be put on a slow boat to China."

    I am sorry about the death of your friend. May he and his family be at peace.

    Yes, things could have ended horrifically as the result of the Cardinal's alleged DUI. Everybody is thankful that he did not inflict serious injury/ death upon innocent people and/or himself.

    William Cardinal Levada, if found guilty, deserves whatever punishment is prescribed by law.

    But I am sympathetic to his weakness and sin...if he drove under the influence. I don't drink alcohol. But my sense of sympathy for him lies in the fact that I have committed countless sins and mistakes throughout my life.

    My sense of sympathy for him is born from the fact that I am as fallen a man as he. I am prone to temptations. Are we not all in that boat?

    Therefore, when a man of God has been knocked down, as has Cardinal Levada, we, as his brothers in Christ, should be there to help him return to the right path.

    I have many issues in regard to Cardinal Levada and his attitudes toward the Traditional Latin Mass and Holy Tradition. You have issues with him in your way.

    But shouldn't we place our issues with him aside as it's obvious that he requires our prayers and help?

    You don't have any sympathy for Cardinal Levada? Really?

    Pax.

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    MiddleRdAugust 26, 2015 at 2:29 PM

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    1. Mark, you clueless dullwit, Mahoney, Law, Levada and the rest are criminal enablers at best... At worst, SCUMBAGS.

      Forget the slow boat to China, these miscreants belong in prison.

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  13. No Mark I don't. He did it to himself. It was his choice. He knocked himself down.

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    1. The Lingering Pong reveals an attitude so common to the clericalists, ordained or not. These characters are more concerned about the honor and dignity of the ontologically superior ones than the real or potential harm/damage they do to innocent people as a result of their immoral behaviours.
      This same attitude which is at the heart of the honor/shame culture is found fairly and squarely at the centre of the clerical child sexual abuse catastrophe. The catastrophic damage done to children is not even considered to be remotely in the same league as the dented reputation of dissolute characters like Levada.
      Scratch the polite silvertail "Mark" Thomas and you'll find a brass ass clericalist.

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  14. He's claiming he made a "lapse in judgment." Well, a lapse in judgment is asking John Zuhlsdorf to reorder the diocesan letterhead and finding out it won't be shipped until next year, because the eejit upgraded you to 100% natural parchment made from the hides of Faroe sheep harvested at the Regina Cleri Renewal Centre (ahem. You do know what that means?) in Shetland Islands, and the Prophetic Pigment ink made from the charred and blackened bones of deceased sanctioned theology professors is on backorder from the Society of Perpetual Superiority.

    What Levada did was dangerous, reckless, irresponsible, and narcissistic. He needs to find a lot more contrition than simply being sorry he got caught.

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    1. My. Do they really put pedophile priests on islands full of sheep? I may never be able to enjoy lamb chops at Easter.

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    2. They're just pulling the wool over your eyes.
      That was a Baaaaaaad joke.

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  15. I still think Cilla Black deserved something better than the three purple pylons the bishop wore like a flag across his chest.

    Mark Thomas means well give him a break!

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    1. Got some links or resources on Cilla Black?

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    2. All you would ever wish for and more can be found here:

      http://www.cillablack.com/

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  16. Zzzzzz cannot contain his glee today. He reports that Pope Francis' general audience numbers are down. No specific jabs, but an undeniable sentiment of gloating and happiness over the numbers. He is such a jerk.

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    1. Yes. I can just imagine his chubby self sitting behind his bottle of booze and cackling at Pope Francis.
      When this jerk has his fall from grace, it will be an especially hard landing.
      It will make the fall of Corapi and Eutenauer look like mere childs play.

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    2. He's already had his fall from grace. He was a functionary in the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, from which a good career in the Vatican service could have evolved. Then he spent a decade in exile in his parents' house in rural Wisconsin without any visible assignment. Now, at an age when men of his ordination class are pastors at big parishes and diocesan department secretaries and being talked about for a spot on the new auxiliary's terna, he''s got a minor assignment most priests wouldn't want and he's living in some back-facing rooms a retreat center where he has no kitchen access. Something badly went wrong in Italy.

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    3. No conservative is going to advance during Francis' term of office - which is limited - wait for it boys then there will be a whole new ball game as the libs' days are numbered - most now in late 70s/eighties. The majority of JP11 priests are coming of age and boy are we going to party! Get used to it. NO is dying out tradition is on the rebuild. Shame for you guys but always room for backroom whingers. Get used to lace because there's going to be plenty to go around - even for you gays!

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    4. 'NO is dying out and tradition is on the rebuild.' What universe are you living in? Our conservative midwest diocese has one sparsely attended EF Mass at the Cathedral weekly. You may have been taken in by Zzzzz's 'brick-by-brick' mantra, but I don't see any real, hard evidence that it is in reality growing very much.
      I do admit that many newly ordained are throwbacks to the 50's, but I don't think they will get much traction with modern congregants.

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    5. But wait, the Brick-with-Eyes himself is now trumpeting the good news of great joy throughout the Universe: there are 35 seminarians in the whole country who indicate they would wear a biretta with pom-pom presumably if Lacy Boy's cohort of brown nosers will pay for them.

      Shit a brick! Thirty five of the autoerotic minor clerics. This is on a par with Lard Ass' clarion cry of EF churches busting out the doors.

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    6. Been to your local NO Mass lately? Noticed the huge gaps? Seen the church closings in New York lately due to large gaps? Heard about the parish amalgamations in almost every diocese? Heard about over two-third of parishes closing in Holland? No? You guys are living in cloud cuckoo land ... the Church - as you know it and like it - is on its way out, gays. It was warned about and it's happening ... fast! This is the last hurrah of the NO that has finally almost killed the mainstream Church off - it has been rejected and an abject failure ...

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  17. Here's a thought--which American cardinal is the LEAST dysfunctional? O'Malley I guess?

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    1. That's like asking which bag of shit stinks least. As a Bay State resident I can attest that Cardinal Brown Bag might be the least objectionable of the American Cardinals, but His Eminence is still an asshole. Ask almost any Boston priest or deacon after his third cocktail.

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    2. I'm curious about this. What do they say about him?
      Every time I've encountered O'Malley, he talks very slowly and seems to be holding back something. Most people attribute it to an introverted personality.

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    3. I'd go with O'Brien.

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  18. I love it when mean fuckers fall.

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  19. Great blog! I was sent this link by an old classmate. Laughed my ass off, and then spent two hours reading old posts. Sent a link to over a dozen friends. Ordained a deacon by Quinn, a priest by Levada I served two years in a parish followed by two years at the NAC. Then came a chancery assignment, where after being hit on by Vicars and Auxiliaries I came to my senses and left the archdiocese for what I hoped were greener pastures. Before the deal was done, the Archbishop tossed a wrench in the works and the new diocese would not take me. My offense? Letting it slip what perverts were running the archdiocese. I'm as gay as the flowers in May so I was ready to embrace celibacy and try my best at chastity, or at least taking temptations in my own hands as they say. Technically on a leave of absence, even though I've not taken a dime in over a decade, and could not care less about anything they do or do not, there is an effort clean up it seems anyone no longer active in ministry and remove us all from the clerical state. Since I'd like to get married, I don't really object. One thing no one is asking is who are the priests that are vacationing with the cardinal? I bet I can name one of them! He's one of the former henchmen that tried to get in my pants and who now that he is retired, except when cashing in on weekend Masses, spends a great deal of time at the cardinals retirement pad. Practically lives there, some have said.
    Call me "No Pal of San Fran Sal" (great name for that uptight bitch)

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  20. Location is everything, as the real estate people say.

    Google Big Island Double Dare Bookstore and match it against the address where Levada’s car was pulled over. A friend of a friend in Hawaii said that’s the only thing open there at that hour. And if Big Bill was on vacation with others, why was he out late at night all alone?

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    1. Big Bill must have been looking for his old friends Anita Dick and Ivana Koch.

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    2. good work there, 4:44 !!

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    3. What or better yet WHO did he blow? Enough with these rulemakers and lawgivers living lives that at the kindest could be called hypocritical.

      Fuhgeddabout him along with all the idiots who support him. Fuhgeddabout San Fran Sally aka "ratface" too.

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  21. Hey Father D did you see Rocco sent a tweet to the pope inviting his holiness to visit him in his mothers basement when he's in Philly in a couple weeks.

    Rocco Palmo @roccopalmo
    Note to @Pontifex: 30 Days til you're in my house – can't wait.

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    1. Papa Francesco only has one lung, so Rocco better lay off the cigarettes during their coffee clatch.

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  22. What an exercise in ongoing education it is to see His Crassness, the grasping materialist Lacy Boy attempt to justify his presumption of life long clerical entitlement and a free ride, he projects himself into the sandals of St Augustine who, after ordination to the priesthood, was 'looked' after by Bishop Valerius. The Wisconsin Brass Ass lifts a passage from his favourite Augustine biographer - the one Amazon gives the Lard a cut - not Chadwick!:

    "The bishop had in fact given him a house with a garden near the cathedral church. At the cost of accepting the priesthood, and having to give up a great deal, Augustine had attained the goal to which he had aspired for a good few years. We shall have occasion to return to both the concrete realities and the developments and regulatory arrangements of the monastic life he would live at Hippo for nearly forty years."

    The sheer gall and pretence of this poncing bastard almost beggars the imagination.

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  23. "The Wisconsin Brass Ass"

    I've been looking for just the right term by which to call him, and I think I've found it.

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  24. I suppose you gays keep yourself entertained in a myopic closed off world, where the NO is what you regard as a happening thing but anyone with any intelligence regards as child's play - now only for retards to enjoy. I imagine you are a bunch of old gays in your 70s sitting there playing cards, reminiscing about the old days of clown masses, happy clappy stuff, nursery rhyme repetitive hymns. But, hey, gays you've got what you wanted and the last one of ya don't forget to turn out light. But then again some of you may be happily esconced in some parish, back of somewhere, "offering" the odd liturgy and playing at being priests. Sheesh, you gays leave a lot to be desired.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_closed_churches_in_the_Roman_Catholic_Archdiocese_of_New_York
    .

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/europes-empty-churches-go-on-sale-1420245359

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    1. "Sheesh, you gays leave a lot to be desired."

      You sound like you speak from experience.

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  25. Anon 12: 03 p, without a doubt, one of the Lard Ass' bum boys on the troll and carting about his little knapsack of inanity and turgidity sourced from Wikipedia: the exact same place Lacy Boy, the indolent pietistic pretender gets his fifty cent Latinisms to dole out, pigeon poo style, to the poor miserable bastards who bank roll him.

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  26. Nah, sorry to disappoint you gays, but I don't follow that blog at all - stumbled across you gays and thought, here's a bunch of tired old gays - pretending not to be of course - loving the old hippy style Mass of the 70s and reminiscing about it. Might surprise you to know that there are people out there who disagree with you, who don't bother with Fr Z's blog either - though even he I imagine would be better than this riff-raff, raggle taggle bunch that post such inane comments here. Go and read what you've had to say for yourself and see what you appear like to the world. A bunch of inane twats!

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    1. Welcome. (Said in my best macho straight man voice)
      I'm sure you'll fit in well with this "riff-raff, raggle taggle bunch".
      Two observations. Your use of the term "you gays" I don't really understand. What if every single person here does have same sex attraction? Is that a negative thing? I'm certain your assumption is not not the case. But why is that such an issue for you?

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  27. Anonymous at 1.21. This is a real eye-opener. I mean who would want someone like yourself a priest. Does God not come into the equation with any of you gays? Do you not think that sometime you're going to have to face him and be judged? It is simply because of the corruption in the Church - and no good talking about others because you're all part of it. You're all a corrupt bunch which is obvious from your low language - that so many have left the Church. You are real eye-openers and the obvious reason why no gays should be admitted to the priesthood.

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    1. Readerette here. Non-Catholic. And non-lesbian, too.

      I marvel at people who claim the new Mass is why Catholic church attendance has fallen. It's not. Church attendance dropped similarly for every church group since 1965, so look outside church reforms for the sources of attendance problems. Here are other correlating factors of the time period:

      Demography: Life expectancy has increased by 17 years since 1965. There is a much lower birth rate because of birth control availability. There is a higher standard of living, and greater median educational attainment.

      Technology: The population is highly mobile due to the affordability of cars and air travel. Families are geographically dispersed. The affordability of tv dramatically changed community institutions--department stores, bowling alleys, etc. were the entertainment in everyone's community in the 1950's, gone now. Freeways shifted middle-class wealth from close-knit urban areas to suburban. People no longer use places like churches and veterans halls as a locus of community activity, but for identity-oriented activity.

      The rise of women in the workforce greatly changed family dynamics, child-rearing, and social capital. For instance, family meals are very different. Club membership is down 60%. People have few visitors to their home. This adds up to changed views on spending free time.

      In the United States, simultaneous to church decline has been the success of the civil rights movement and integration of public resources such as schools and swimming pools.

      Competition: Church now isn't the only activity available on Sunday morning. Stores open. Restaurants open. People can go shopping and dining, to museums, fairs, sporting events, etc--all formerly closed on Sundays--in most non-rural places without shame or losing standing in their community. Conversely, people work in service industry jobs on Sunday. I was in Manhattan this week at my parents' apartment. I can think of many attractive activities for a summer Sunday morning besides sitting in the stifling hot St Stephen/Scapular church listening to an unmarried white man tell me how should live. (It's closing permanently in a few weeks.)

      Catholics had a couple of advantages over other mainstream churches. The sheer size of the church generated economies of scale. Parishes were often not just religious communities but also ethnic ones. so they were identity touchpoints for more than one idea. Schools served those communities, unlike e.g. the ELCA or PCUCA. Catholics had a higher birth rate because of anti- birth control teachings. And you've literally told people they'll go to Judgment with a mortal sin if they dare miss a Sunday.

      Demographic shifts have caught up with you lot, and as they did your problems accelerated as we found out what your crimes your clergy did in the transition years. I know a lot of Catholics, personally, who still attend church and put a respectable share in the collection basket but won't give a cent beyond that since the sex abuse scandals. That's a common attitude in your pews and it doesn't help keep your empty buildings open.

      If you think which in language the service is spoken, how pretty your worship service is, how nice the church looks, and how antique the hymns are makes a whit of difference to the people sleeping in and going for a Rooty Tooty Fresh N Fruity at IHOP on Sunday morning, give it a whirl. I think you're better off confronting relevancy to the changed circumstances of the 21st century. Going more traditional hasn't worked out any better for the Episcopalians, Lutherans, Presbyterians and Methodists than their "Contemporary" worship did. Some folks like it, and you're bound to attract someone. Brick-by-brick, if you keep it up, you'll have enough bricks for a small patio where I can have my Sunday morning toast and read the paper on my Kindle.

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    2. Great observations, Readerette.
      Data from the archives of pastoral planning offices in most Western Catholic countries indicate a massive decline of around 40% in participation rates between the early 50s and around 1962-3.
      This blows the "Vat II is to blame" barque out of the water.

      If the loyal to the Pope and Magisterium brigade want more humble pie, the thirty five years of JPII and Benedict XVI accounted for another 20% leaving the pews for good.

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  28. Absolute rot, Readerette, you only have to look and see that the stats show the attendance at Mass nose-dived from 1965 onwards and the decline is much worse than the protestants' decline according to PEW.

    People have said "No" loudly to the NO Mass end of. You gays are hiding your heads in the sand. Go and look at the stats. For the US alone:

    CARA reports Mass attendance: 1965 55% 2014 22%

    Mass Attendance.
    1965 55%; 1970 48%; 1975 42%; 1980 41%; 1986 41%; 1990 39%; 1995 35%; 2000 22%, 2005 23%; 2010 24%; 2014 24%

    Total Catholics - self identified
    1965 48.5 m - 2014 66.6 m

    Priests:
    1965 58632 - 2014 38275

    Priests. After skyrocketing from about 27,000 in 1930 to 58,000 in 1965, the number of priests in the United States dropped to 45,000 in 2002. By 2020, there will be about 31,000 priests--and only 15,000 will be under the age of 70. Right now there are more priests aged 80 to 84 than there are aged 30 to 34.

    Ordinations. In 1965 there were 1,575 ordinations to the priesthood, in 2002 there were 450, a decline of 350 percent. Taking into account ordinations, deaths and departures, in 1965 there was a net gain of 725 priests. In 1998, there was a net loss of 810.

    Mass attendance. A 1958 Gallup poll reported that 74 percent of Catholics went to Sunday Mass in 1958. A 1994 University of Notre Dame study found that the attendance rate was 26.6 percent. A more recent study by Fordham University professor James Lothian concluded that 65 percent of Catholics went to Sunday Mass in 1965, while the rate dropped to 25 percent in 2000.

    There are plenty of statistics detailing this. It has got beyond lies as they say once the grey hairs die off there will be no one any longer in the churches because the young do not attend after they leave college if they go then.

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    1. Thanks for the additional statistics. I notice you don't cite non-Catholic studies of religious demographics such as JSSP or Faith Communities Today (FACTS). If you did, you'd discover that the regular Sunday attendance rate in the US as a whole is about 17.4%. Slightly worse than it is for Catholics taken alone.

      You simply can't say that people aren't coming to your church because the language isn't archaic enough, the vestments aren't brocaded enough, the gold isn't shiny enough and the organ isn't wheezy enough. The Quakers never had any of those things and they're declining at the same rate. Vatican II is one point of correlation among many, many others and correlation does not imply causation.

      As a millennial and as a credentialed religious professional, I am very confident if you go out and ask my generation why they didn't go to church today they'll tell you the service isn't interesting enough, the experience isn't relevant enough and the judgmental-ism and creepiness is much more than enough. They'll tell you that regardless of what church or synagogue they began with, though I suspect the cultural and former Catholics are more likely to emphasize the creepiness.

      The institutional church, with its territorial-drawn parish and neighborhood school and local cemetery, is an idea following praxis from the 19th century and earlier. It is a system of social capital for a time and place when people were born, lived, worked and died in the same village for generations. These days, people's meaningful social capital is from much further afield. For instance, here's a window into mine:

      ♥ Family: National. My sisters live in California and Washington DC. My parents divide their time between the Chesapeake and an apartment in New York (mentioned in post supra) and Washington DC. My in-laws are in the process of moving to South Carolina.
      ♥ Extended family: International. Like so many children of immigrants, I have cousins in three other nations, Ireland and the UK and Denmark. One, from Ireland, lives with me in the Boston area now.
      ♥ College alumni friends: Sub-national. I went to undergrad in New York City. My dearest friends are now spread across the northeastern states.
      ♥ Work: Sub-national. I work for a company based in another northeastern city. I've worked from home until recently, and my best work pals are in Charlottesville and Port Chester, NY. I have never been to the New Yorker's home but we've shared hotel rooms and meals and lots of laughs many times and are great friends.
      ♥ Membership/Volunteer: Regional. I belong to a couple of alumni clubs, a sailing club, and I do work for a woman's employment charity (no, nothing like PP) and for an immigrant support group. I have good friends and colleagues in these groups which draw from the entire eastern Massachusetts area.
      ♥ Disease support group: Online and National. Facebook page and discussion board. Annual convention moves from US city to city. Many important, loving friends I really rely on from there.
      ♥ High school chatroom: Online. International. We're in our 30's now, but the group of friends I used to talk to on IRC when I was a kid is still very much in touch and have moved on to swapping baby clothes, pet photos and marital advice. I have never met even one of them face-to-face, and some I speak to multiple times a week.
      ♥ Other online: Just for instance, I've had lovely and meaningful, continuing interactions with people I've met via this very page? Including our Reverend Blog Host.

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    2. Those are nearly all the relationships through which I try to negotiate religious experience, personal integrity and mode of life. They're the communities where I celebrate passages and events important in my life. They're where I have intimate conversations and get support in times of crisis. Not a local church.

      Why not? You'll notice I didn't identify my neighborhood as a locus of my social capital. I don't hang out with the people from my condo board and I wouldn't want to. I know the names of local vendors at the bakery and gym and salon, but they're not my friends. I do have friends who live a very few towns away, but we don't have a Barney & Betty Rubble next door. So if my neighbors don't see me at church, it's ok because they weren't expecting to, anyway, and aren't really in my orbit. I won't be shamed or lose social capital by going, and my social capital needs are already (too well!) met. Thus I might have a good spiritual reason (salvation, sacraments, etc.) to attend church but I'm void of practical, i.e. religious, reasons. This is part of what makes parochial institutions irrelevant to modern life and a reality to which they need to adapt.

      Spiritually, I'll grant you that mainstream churches are offering things that are timeless. Religiously, they aren't. You'll notice that a televised stadium church primarily serves areas of social capital that are more relevant to modern life--regional, national, online. I'm not saying you need to be Joel Osteen--heaven forfend--to be an effective modern church, but megachurches have grown while the older, deeper, richer traditions have declined, and their service model is a big part of why.

      Keep thinking it's the Latin mass, though. Anecdotally, it's my contention that those communities mostly grow by cannibalizing other communities of faithful Catholic church-goers. Plus they also tend to be full of the highly judgmental, angry people I prefer to avoid for my own spiritual well-being. Not that you addressing us all as "gays" and "inane twats" proves my point or anything...

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      Mark... I recognize your writing style and all I have to say about your argument is STERCUS.

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    4. I should have said, "So if my neighbors don't see me at church, it's ok because they weren't expecting to, anyway, and aren't really in my orbit. I won't be shamed or lose social capital by NOT going, and my social capital needs are already (too well!) met."

      Anonymous 11:37 AM, are you saying I'm Mark Thomas? I'm really, really not and Father D knows my real name. Or did you mean the 7:23 AM anonymous?

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    5. Readerette, I meant 723am, not you. My response was intended to follow him... Your post got ahead of mine. I'd NEVER confuse you and the gasbag.

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    6. I was hoping that. Thanks!

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    7. 8/30@11:18PM, why are you so angry about the presence of an intellectual woman on this blog? In less than a thousand words she has eviscerated the argument that the decline of the Catholic Church is attributed to the turning away from the Latin Mass.

      Remember, it was a woman to whom Christ first revealed himself after His resurrection. Why should a woman be called a crude name for identifying what's wrong with the church as a result of a corrupt priesthood?

      Why don't you go to a mountaintop and scream "cunt" at the top of your lungs three times. Then spin around for three times. Then come back and see that you didn't change a thing except show yourself for the ignorant fool you are.

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    8. The point is she hasn't - the statistics show the opposite. Whether she is a woman or not is beside the point she is ignoring the statistics.

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    9. And if you regard Readerette's pap as intellectual that will explain the sorry state of the Church. Obviously the intellectuals have long gone.

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    10. Not quite 48/55... R's argument is conclusive. It is you reduced to name calling and dismisiveness. You think that poaching members to your TLM smoke shows is growth. Few and far between Christians really care about your dressup shows anymore.

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    11. Simply saying "no 'tisn't" will not suffice as argument, anon. If you disagree with the assertion that the other mainstream religions have been declining in adherents in the United States at the same rate as Catholicism, you're going to have to prove it. Proving it isn't giving us a list of all the numbers that pertain to the decline of Catholicism in the USA; you're going to have to go outside that data set because I've already said Catholicism has rapidly lost American membership over the last 50 years and such a list only illustrates that is so. I didn't ignore nor refute your statistics, I conceded them.They make half my point. I know things are bad for the US Catholic Church.

      The thing is, they're just as bad for the traditional mainline, the ecumenical protestant, and the historically black churches. Pew Research Center just released a study on this which demonstrates the trend over the last seven years--there's recent excellent data. (See "America's Changing Religious Landscape" at Pew Center dot org..) If you can somehow explain to me why you believe those matching trend lines don't demonstrate the equivalent proportional loss in other Christian churches as they do in Catholicism, I'm fascinated.

      I also took the time to explain to you how the village center model of church isn't working in developed, educated and highly mobile societies. I explained why changes in American society have caused problems for a static ecclesiology. Those changes are actually academic consensus on American sociological trends. If you want a primer aimed at the general public, look for a book called "Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community," by Robert Palmer and that will get you from c.1950 to the turn of the millennium in broad US community-based sociological shifts.If you don't agree they're accurate, say why.

      Also, I haven't been insulting to you. (Well, yet. But don't try me too high.) I have taken time to educate you on my position. Maybe it's frustrating to engage with people who disagree with you and can explain why they do. If your Indult/Tridentine/TLM/whatever you're supposed to call it version of Mass is so spiritually superior, I am left to wonder why it's not bearing fruit in you, because you've shown so far only your angry, misogynistic and vulgar side.

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    12. Robert PUTNAM. Robert Palmer is someone else who talks about how the lights are on when no one's home. I regret my error.

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  29. The US may be holding up to a degree but Holland has announced the closing of two-thirds of its parishes and the state of the Church is now so bad in France that it is said that by 2038 more than half of all priests In France will be ordained to offer the traditional Mass. This is so because of the almost complete collapse of Catholicism in France. In Paris more people attend the SSPX than attend at the Cathedral in Paris. You lot should be trying to build up the Church rather than idly gossiping and destroying what we have got.

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    1. I'm sorry to hear that there are so many schismatics in France. You're right, the Church is in a bad way there.

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    2. Yes, you've got it in one. The Church is in a sorry state when schismatics can muster more than mass attendance at the local cathedral.

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    3. or, the schismatics need a dose of humility and should take responsibility for their own behavior.

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  30. Ahh... The loving folks over at RetRorate are at it again.

    Dear @MTV: please stop promoting porn tweets into our feed. It's bad enough you're going to Hell. Don't try to take us with you.

    It is good to know that they know who exactly is going to Hell. Methinks they should worry about their own salvation. Pope Francis had a fine old lecturing super Catholics like the ones at RetRorate this morning.

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    1. I can not even bother to read them anymore.

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    2. LOVES Reynaldos dick in his smelly ass

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    3. Once again I am pierced by an intellectual superior's rapier like wit.

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    4. Besides, Reynaldo went to the NAC. By virtue of their formation they're total bottoms.

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  31. And the imaginative auto-erotic Anon 11: 23 PM gets the very much coveted spinning Pineapple award.

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  32. Just for the benefit of Readerette who obviously does not understand stats. Pew reports :

    "Protestants with a strong religious identity continue to increase as Catholics with a strong religious identity continue to decline, according to a March study by the Pew Research Center. The proportion of Catholics reporting strong religious affiliation declined by almost twenty percentage points over the last few decades, from 46 percent of Catholics in 1974 to 27 percent in 2012. Protestants reporting strong religious affiliation increased more than ten percentage points during the same period, from 43 percent to 54 percent. "

    And what you ignore Readerette is Cara's statistics that in 1965 55% of Catholics attended Mass which has steadily declined to the point where in 2014 only 24% attend. Yet the Catholic population:

    Total Catholics - self identified
    1965 48.5 m - 2014 66.6 m

    That shows the decline is even more rapid - 55% of a Catholic population of 48.5 m attended Mass - that is 26,400,000 in 1965. Now 15,318,000 attend out of 66.6 m. Almost 10 million less than in 1965 despite the fact that the Catholic population has increased since 1865 by 18 million. If that is not a decline I don't know what is. You Readerette can switch of the light as I imagine despite the figures you will still continue in denial.

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  33. And I'm fascinated that you, Readerette, can interpret the Pew survey in the way you have when everyone else says that Catholicism is losing members faster than any denomination:

    http://www.cruxnow.com/church/2015/05/12/pew-survey-percentage-of-us-catholics-drops-and-catholicism-is-losing-members-faster-than-any-denomination/

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    1. (Since you continue to insult me, I'm going to return the favour in kind. You like genitalia vulgarisms and demeaning my intelligence, so let's go with)

      Anonymous, you utterly sophomoric pecker and putz,

      You cite a subset of the Pew data about the Catholic Church alone in an article by a Catholic analyst. It isn't summary data for the whole study. The statistics you quote are from the study's chapter on "religious switching"--people who in an active way leave one affiliation for another. Which you'd know if you went to the Pew Research Center and looked there instead. You prattle on and on about numbers that show people have come left your religion behind, but in your one-eyed flaccid penile myopia you again don't look for summary comparative data of the overall demographics.

      One important data point boosting your numbers for religious switchers, which Catholicism has had more of, is an influx of Latin American immigrants. I'll quote to for you from your Crux article:

      "Immigration from Latin American countries has kept Catholic number [sic] stable in recent years."

      More people are leaving your church but more people are also joining it. This will be important in the illustration I'm going to give you in a moment. Here's the important bit not discussed in that chapter on religious switching: There are other reasons for declining numbers of adherents.

      Let me break it down for you into simple arithmetical model you may have learned from Sister Magdalen of the Laundries. If you and Pat and each have a pile of ten apples, and I take away five from you to give to Bridget, but give you one of Pat's apples, you would have a net of six apples. You lost five, you gained one, you have a net loss of 4. That's what net means.
      Now, let's say you and Mike each have ten apples. I take away six to give to Bridget because you've been a naughty boy arguing with the other boys and pulling the girls' hair and in front of the whole class you've been putting your penis where you know it doesn't belong (people leaving your church--and more or less, their reasons). I give you one of Mike's (people joining your church from other affiliations). One of your apples is spoiled from being left in the sun (age attrition). But lucky you, since you happen to be sitting under an apple tree, luckily for you two apples drop from the tree into your pile (immigration).

      Ten minus Six equals Four. Four plus One equals Five. Five minus One equals Four. Four plus Two equals Six. You have six apples.

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    2. Mike hasn't been quite so mean to the girls. I know, you'd like to tattle that maybe he did put his penis where it didn't belong, but the whole class didn't see it happen or hear him lie about it, so hush. He has been arguing with the other boys. I fine him two apples (people leaving his church), but I give him one of the apples I took from you (people joining his church). He isn't sitting under the tree so he gets no windfall. He picked his apples sooner and also didn't do the modern thing of refrigerating them, and three of of are now gone sour (age attrition, much steeper in Mainline Protestantism).

      Ten minus Two equals Eight. Eight plus One equals Nine. Nine plus Zero equal Nine. Nine minus Three equals Six. Mike has six apples. Things are pretty much the same for you in terms of net loss. Maybe your apples are a little bigger than Mike's.

      Now, since cocks like you are so sub-moronic that they can't evaluate statistics in context and have deep trouble understanding basic juxtaposition, let me point right at the summary data of comparative demographics data for you. It's on the main page of the Pew Study and there's even a helpful graph titled "Changing U.S. Religious Landscape."

      http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/

      Mainline Protestants change from 2007 to 2014: -3.4
      Catholic change from 2007 to 2014: -3.1

      See that? The net decline is slightly more dire for the Mainline Protestants. But you showed up here being pejorative and trying to tell us that you now have six apples, because when the farmer began growing Honey Crisps (novus ordo) no one would eat four of them. You tell us if the orchard was only planted in Rome Beauties (back-assward Mass) again, why, you'll have the full 10 and if he doesn't switch his trees back quick you're going to lose even more apples.

      I told you no, you wouldn't. Not until you learn to play nicely with the girls (misogyny), stop fighting with the other boys (homophobia and other reprehensible theology), keep your dick in your pants when you're in public (clergy paedophilia and your other scandals), and make sure you don't lose so much to rot by sticking with storage ideas from another century instead of refrigeration (your territorial parish model), will the other kids give you any of their apples at all. Some of them will never like you because you've hurt them so often and so much. They have lost their taste for apples and don't care what apple variety you think is tastiest. They're imagining a day when all the apple orchards are strawberry fields forever. Those other kids think you're a rotten, wormy apple, the bottom of the apple barrel.

      And I think you, anonymous, are an ignorant tool.

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    3. I'm just flabbergasted, Readerette. You've done it.

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  34. Anonymous (Not that one)September 3, 2015 at 9:51 AM

    Brava, Readerette! I enjoyed the quips "Sister Magdalen of the Laundries" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" very much. You made excellent analogies.

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