Thursday, August 13, 2015

HOW TO HATE THE POPE AND STILL BE A GOOD CATHOLIC

Professor Krapnewski, author of "Mutually Enriching Opposing Forms"
published by Obnoxious Press, San Francisco,

under the direction of Father Stressio, S.J.

Wow! What a Successful Surging Seminarian Summer it's been in Madison! All those manly men, forging ahead with forsaking marriage, breaking the hearts of all the Madison women, who are instinctively drawn toward men who wear square silk hats with pom-poms on the top, are experiencing the deep inner spiritual reality of a call to the priesthood based on Jesus' personal invitation to each one of them to show their love for Him and their willingness to serve God's people - by putting a pom-pom on their heads!

Say good-bye, ladies, to these Spoken-for Studs!
Imagine how long it took these dudes to decide that Jesus was calling them to forget about sexual intimacy with women, giving life and watching their wives give birth and seeing their beautiful children? And just imagine women watching all those potentially perfect husbands donning the blue biretta pom-pom and forsaking the husbandhood and fatherhood they must have dreamt of since their Little League baseball and High School football days. Look at these guys! Celibacy is SUCH a challenging vocation!
Yup, the Morlino's Manly Chub-Master himself, Father Z, is passing out birettas and zapping up the chubbies on Madison's Manly Platoon!

Meanwhile, back here in my humble hermitage, it's so hot I'm not even wearing pants, let alone a biretta . . . You know I kind of like all the popes we've ever had. I put their pictures up here sometimes. Of course, I've never met any of them in person because ... well, my Church life has been all over the place. I love Vladyka Eureka of Topeka and Abbot of Mayberry, R.F.D. (Don't worry about that doe. He doesn't eat meat. You might want to worry about your dough! Hahaha!)
Bet he looks nicer than the turkey YOU have to work under! But I did my first theology studies at Savonarola Seminary, right next door to the Dunder Mifflin Paper Co. in Scranton, where I got a cool part-time job with an awesome group of people.
Phyllis was awesome. And Meredith always bought me a drink on Thursday night "to get the weekend going, baby!"

Our faculty at Savonarola was into married Polish bishops
but not infallible Polish Popes, obviously, so I never got to meet him.

Then I switched over to the American Greek Catholic Eastern Orthodox American Carpatho-Russian Eastern Non-Ruthenian And Certainly Not Ukrainian Orthodox Church and was assigned to their Seminary Incense Baking and Chopping Apostolate.
The Father Founder started off looking really Roman but ended up looking really Eastern:
So did I, but that's another story. I got mad allergic to the incense, which smelled just like the Scranton Rusty Car Grave Yard
and was a bitch to make. Here's a picture of me in the Seminary Incense Factory
So I moved on. Actually, I ran for my life. Scranton is one of those cities that has about 93 steeples and onion domes. Almost every jurisdiction, East, West, Catholic, Orthodox, National Catholic, non-Catholic, Eastern Catholic, Western Orthodox is there . . . with clergy like you've never seen. Some are scary.

Back to Popes. I would have loved to have had a beer with Benny. Look at him rockin' out at 88!

So I'm really surprised when SUPER TRADITIONAL REALLY ROMAN Catholics hate ALL the popes so much, except for Benny! Though they're really pissed at him for resigning, just after they'd spent so much money on lace and sofa upholstery vestments . . . 

Today, one of the SUPER TRADITIONAL REALLY ROMAN Catholic websites, RETROrate, published a very weird article:


It's by Professor Krapnewski, that Bow-tied Beard who writes stuff even longer and weirder than Mark Thomas at The New Liturgical Bowel Movement.

Actually, Krappy didn't write it, it's even older than he is, because it's about hating Blessed Pope Paul VI.

I know, I know . . . when it comes to hating Pope Francis, it's Reverend Mother M. John Cunniwicke who leads the Herd of Haters. But he hated Blessed Pope Paul VI - a lot! - also, even though back then, Cunniwicke was being paid money and lining up a cool pension for saying fake Masses because he was an "UTTERLY NULL AND ABSOLUTELY VOID" (not-Blessed but really cool Pope Leo XIII) priest back then.

I was just a little kid at the time, but I remember seeing Pope Paul VI on TV visiting New York City!
That's from the awesome movie, Heaven Help Us! about Catholic High School back in the 1960s. The kids got the day off to watch Pope Paul VI go by in his limo - and there he is!

The kids seemed excited. Those Saint Joseph Nuns look tough! Our 8th grade teacher who was also the convent cook, Sister Salmonella, took no baloney from us (although I heard she fed it to the nuns, who did NOT like it except with Miracle Whip, which reminded them of Jesus I guess).

The Brothers WERE tough. Like the ones we had at Cardinal Cody High School . . . Like the teachers Janet Darcy had in her high school! (Hey Janet, how's that King Size California Bed doing? And your boyfriend too! Hahahaha!)
But I digress . . . 

So the article Professor Krappy Bearded Bow Tie wants us to read, written back in the days of Hating Pope Paul VI, says:

What the cheerleaders are really telling us is that this Pope (any Pope?) is too vain, too irascible to accept even constructive criticism; that he is incapable of growth; that he is a crippled human being; and that he must be treated not like a father but like an Oriental despot.

Wow!

In other words, HATE POPE FRANCIS just like our heroes who rejected Vatican II HATED POPE PAUL VI!

So Professor Krapnewski,
who teaches at Wyoming Catholic College, which is in the Diocese of Bishop Paul EtTuBrutienne (who just made his First Communion - and imagine the disappointed chicks when this stud donned his first biretta?!)
is right up there with Mother Cunniwicke, who also hates Pope Francis and Pope Paul VI:
whose Bishop is a make-believe Bishop the real UK Bishops call THE ORDINARY NEWTON of The Ladies of Walsingham's Fraudianriate (check out the costume!):
and also with with thy Bitter Bag O' (Sometimes) Bearded Onions from the Saint Hugely Looney Society
whose own Bishop knows how to do the Battle of the Beards, Bishop Cagey Uh-Know-Nuttin' (whose 'stache melted SO MANY young Italian chicks' hearts back in Brooklyn!)
What fun These Mitred Men of God will be having next time they visit Casa Santa Marta and explain to the Pope their loyal sons in Christ HATE and teach others HOW TO HATE why they really love him oh-so-much.

Good thing some of them learned how to tap dance in Rome!

I think this whole gang of Bishops and Make-Believe Bishops is just Bat Shit Crazy.

Don't you?

Like their buddies who Rant and Rave on RetroRate and in Mother Cunniwicke's closet.


“Submarine Seminarians” are not a rarity these days but they bode ill for the Church.  They go through the system saying everything they are supposed to say, concealing their true thoughts and beliefs, impervious to the sound theology being given them in their classes.  They are able to parrot back what their professors say but they have developed their own particular Catholicism, unique to them and their clique, and keep it under wraps until they are ordained.  All one has to do is look at the Diocese of Madison or the Diocese of Lincoln or the Diocese of Arlington and see the damage to the faith of the People of God these crypto-schismatics can wreak.

Yikes!

Not to mention what Reynaldo called to tell me last night is shaping up for the next (unexpected and really pretty soon) batch of Cardinals! 

But that's for another post . . . maybe. He told me not to say anything. So forget I said that.

All this Church-Crap makes me think about that last summer before I went to Savonarola and the job at Dunder Mifflin. When the priest at our parish used to assign me a Rosary for my penance, he'd say . . . "Do you know the mysteries, son?" I'd go, "Uh . . . no, Father." "Hmm," he'd say, then sigh, "OK, well, then just three Hail Marys I guess." Nice! Easy-Peasy! Of course, sometimes I'd just "fall" again. But I digress . . . 

43 comments:

  1. Don't even start on the Bowel Movement's piece on how women should't read at Mass! Now that's bat shit crazy. Oh no wait, that's just like those rules they have for 'Men Only' clubs.

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    1. Read Mark Thomas's piece on bullshit. Eye-opening.

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  2. why, i was there on 3rd avenue when Paul went by [/geezer]

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  3. And Z has encouraged and actively supported seminarians in being "submarine seminarians". For somebody not involved in priestly formation AT ALL. Here is what he advised (how can any bishop take on this subversive idiot):

    Here is my tough love advice… and I’ll use “you”, because the men this is intended for will read it.

    Keep your mouths shut.
    Avoid using the seminary’s internet to look at anything other than neutral or liberal sites.
    Cough up the dough to get a separate “dongle” for data for your laptops.
    If several of you must pool resources to do that, do that, and then – discreetly – do the samizdat thing.
    Use your hand-helds or phones for surfing good Catholic sites.
    If you can’t find a way around their logging, or you can’t afford the data in that country (I know it is expensive), then either give up traditional sites when surfing or give up the internet completely!
    Go silent and go deep.

    Get ordained.

    http://wdtprs.com/blog/2012/03/quaeritur-seminary-monitors-seminarians-email-surfing-wherein-fr-z-administers-tough-love/

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  4. Add Fat Ass Morlino's name to the three asshole bishops listed in the story who should be reported: two to the USA Nuncio and the fake UK "Ordinary" to the UK Nuncio. What phonies!

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  5. The only one I see in all of this who needs tough love is Zuhlsdorf.

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  6. I think that all seminarians should accept ordination to the priesthood with a record of deceptive behavior.
    The best way to receive a sacrament is to sneak into it. God is definitely fooled.

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  7. Hey Zuhlsdorf, you sound mad in your tough love post. What happened? Did somebody shave your balls and draw an angry face on them?

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  8. Hey Zuhlsdorf, you sound mad in your tough love post. What happened? Did somebody shave your balls and draw an angry face on them?

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  9. "Then I switched over to the American Greek Catholic Eastern Orthodox American Carpatho-Russian Eastern Non-Ruthenian And Certainly Not Ukrainian Orthodox Church..."

    Greatness, Father. I must have read that 10 times...I continue to laugh.

    Pax.

    Mark Thomas

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  10. Dear Father, I understand your assessment of Rorate Caeli's purpose in having reprinted the article in question. That is, to defame His Holiness Pope Francis.

    That was my initial sense yesterday. But in all charity, I am compelled to grant Rorate Caeli the benefit of the doubt that they did not intend to spew hatred at Pope Francis. Speculation about Rorate Caeli's intentions aside, the article offers several accurate points.

    There also is the fact that Pope Francis has stated that he welcomes criticism and spirited debate. Pope Francis has stated that he doesn't have any problem with people offering strong opinions...even better, he says, in face-to-face fashion.

    Perhaps Rorate Caeli did mean to simply lash at Pope Francis. Or Rorate Caeli may have wished simply to have noted that Catholics have the right to make known their opinions to Popes, Cardinals, and bishops.

    The article begins: 1. "Scripture makes no bones about the weaknesses of the Apostles and especially of Peter; which in any case were well known to the early Christians, whose faith survived the knowledge."

    That is beyond question. In his Encyclical Ut Unum sint, even Pope Saint John Paul II did not hesitate to note Saint Peter's horrific failings.

    The article is correct that circa 1976 A.D., the "papolaters" (conservatives of the 1970s), attacked anybody who had dared to question Pope Blessed Paul VI's liturgical and ecumenical revolutions.

    Today, it's obvious that Pope Blessed Paul VI's liturgical and ecumenical revolutions unleashed tremendous damage within the Church.

    The article is correct in that in 1976 A.D., the "papaloters" (conservatives) refused to permit criticisms of the liturgical and ecumenical revolutions, but had reserved the right to criticize Pope Blessed Paul VI's Ostpolitik.

    Conservatives then also were keen to question the Church's Social Teachings. The conservative "papolaters" despised Pope Blessed Paul VI's promotion of the Church's Traditional teachings on economics, environment, and treatment of the poor. That, of course, remains the case today.

    The article is accurate in its assessment of the situation within the Church in 1976 A.D., an era that I recall vividly.

    Again, Father, I understand your take on the article. I just wonder as to whether we should attribute a nefarious purpose to Rorate Caeli's printing of the article. I want to think the best in regard to Rorate Caeli.

    Father, I wish you, your family, and spiritual children a blessed weekend and Holy Feast of the Assumption.

    Pax.

    Mark Thomas

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    1. Mark
      Rorate Coeli HATES Pope Francis.

      Open your eyes and read what they write.

      If you agree with them, then despite all your unctuous pseudo-pious baloney, you hate him too.

      You should all just join SSPX, schismatics and sedevacantists, and leave Christ's Holy Catholic Church alone.

      Wake up!

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    2. Mark,

      Why don't you understand the notion that this is a satire/parody venue?

      I started coming here for Father D's wit and over time have come to regard him as a deep thinking spiritual advisor too.

      Spew about Roaring Colitis somewhere else. They have nothing to offer here except as a source of parody.

      Pass your noxious gas elsewhere, shitstick.

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  11. Janet and the BF must be down in Cuba with John Kerry. She's a HUGE Cigar Aficionado. Probably hired weekend help and flew down to Cigar Cielo to get a fix. Take it from Janet!

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    1. Damn, sounds a little kinky. The human humidor I remember best was the fat little intern that a certain presidential candidate's husband used.

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    2. Hey Faddah... Felix fest means "happy feet". Is this the same translator program that Zuhlsdorf uses?

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    3. You can take it from Janet that we are NOT in Havana.....after checking the airfares and with a lay over in West Palm....ended up with a better deal to Key West! Bumped in the Emeritus of the diocese with his own personal particular friend, Msgr chaurice for a T n T .....and ALL was most lovely. I hear they are still tryin to fumigate my old back porch of the cigar smell. Memories!!!

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    4. Oh Janet, you truly are IN THE KNOW!

      Those days at Silly Sal's Seminary sure paid off! You must have been "in with the in-crowd" even if now they're not inviting you for drinks at that fancy restaurant with the diocesan tab.

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  12. Mark Thomas,

    If I may ask, what exactly is your gripe with the liturgy of Vatican II? This probably opens a can of worms, but other than general, non-specific accusations of "unspeakable damage" and "sloppiness," what exactly is the problem with the Mass? In real terms, what exactly is the "obvious" corpus of evidence that Paul VI's liturgy "unleashed tremendous damage within the Church?" Like, what the fuck does that even mean in concrete terms? Like, should the priest, after receiving the gifts at the offertory glare or sneeze on the people bringing them up? Should there be refreshments served midway through an interminable homily? Maybe the lectors should wear bags over their heads so as to "keep the attention off the ministers and on the liturgy?" Is it the use of subjunctive verbs in the rubrics?

    Like, what exactly are concrete examples of systemic and pervasive flaws in the liturgy that are unavoidable except by resorting to the Tridentine Mass of the past 500 years? Not general things like "the muzik suxxx man" or "no tits on the altar," but specific things in the rubrics or General Instruction of the Roman Missal. I just don't see what you're so doggedly implying, and I'm tempted to think your arguments amount of liberal use of the slippery slope, equivocation, appeal to ignorance, and ad hominem fallacies.

    Chicken pax,
    L.G.B.T.

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  13. LookingGlassBulgarianTraffic, What is wrong with the liturgy of Vatican II? Not a thing. After all, the "liturgy of Vatican II" is the TLM...which was offered at Vatican II.

    But what is wrong with the Novus Ordo and the liturgical revolution? I am unable to go into depth here as Father does not prefer lengthy replies on his blog. Please read the countless critiques of the reform.

    In brief, here is what is wrong...Despite his honorable intention, the Mass of Pope Blessed Paul VI and his liturgical reform sent tens of millions of Catholics packing.

    The hemorrhaging within the Church continues. North America, Central America, South America, Europe...in vast areas of the world, the Church faces virtual death, as Pope Benedict XVI noted.

    A monumental amount of Catholics have voted...and continue to vote with their feet. That is, they simply are uninterested in the Novus Ordo Mass.

    Conversely, Traditional Latin Mass parishes are booming...in particular, with young Catholics,

    The TLM is the future of the Latin Church.

    Pax.

    Mark Thomas

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    1. Hey Mark, TLM Anywhere USA 1955-65: priests butchering the Latin, lousy "sermons" on whatever crossed their minds with never a reference to the readings (only one of which, the Gospel, was ever heard in English), Sundays 35 minutes unless the barber shop quartet showed up, then 45, weekdays 15-20 minutes almost every day in black because it was the shortest form.

      The current "TLM" parishes are full of whack jobs like you.

      Future of the Church? Future of obnoxious self-centered kooks like you. Meaning no future at all. Just reading your shit here is enough to "send me packing" as you ignorantly describe the result of the reformed liturgy.

      Fr D come on PLEASE! Give this dip shit some other place to exhibit his insanity. Thanks.

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    2. Mark,

      I'm not sure how convincing that is, however. With all respect to the "vox populi," I find it somewhat contradictory that the lower mass attendance rates in today's western world are taken as evidence that the Mass of Paul VI is defective per se. While there is an association between higher mass attendance rates in the 1950's and the Tridentine Mass and lower attendance rates in the 2000's and the Mass of Paul VI, there are also myriad other cultural, economic, and social changes that have taken place in the intervening sixty years. To attribute causality as opposed to simple association is a mistake. Factors such as secularization, church scandal, suburbanization, rise of mass media, the sexual revolution, and other issues that had nothing to do with the church have changed the postmodern western world so rapidly. It seems that attributing the decline of mass attendance, which is an expression of explicit religious sentiment, has much more to do with the cultural factors that have led to a widespread decline of religious attendance across many denominations. It would different if only Catholicism experienced a decline, but this is not the case. Other than novelties or gimmicks produced by pentecostalist, fundamentalist, and evangelical churches, more established religions have all taken a hit in the 20th and early 21st century. Frequently overlooked, too, is that the pre-Vatican II church had already experienced atrophy and decline from the 19th century, which itself was a decline from the Renaissance.

      In other words, I find it to be a grave error to simply state "1950's + 75% attendance = good liturgy" and "2010's + 20% attendance = bad liturgy." It just doesn't add up and overlooks many other, much more profound truths and trends in society. In reality, most people today except a tiny fraction don't view their lives primarily through the religious expression of the church in the liturgy. Their lives are measured instead through their careers, friends, family, children, education, et cetera.

      Furthermore, I take issue with your foundational idea that the movements of the masses should compel the church to act or not act in a certain way. It's actually very liberal and progressive of you to suggest that the exodus of people should be a signal to the church to change course and modify its practices to fit the whims and desires of the people. Generally, traditionalists and conservatives advocate for the church "staying the course" and goddamit if 90% of loose and fair-weather people drift away. You're employing the same foundational line of thinking that your ilk typically slams the "evil liberals" for using, namely that numbers themselves connote quality and success.

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    3. Also, it's a fallacy to say that the "TLM parishes" are growing quickly and regular parishes are declining, and *therefore* the TLM mass is better than the mass of Paul VI. The proportion of parishes that offer the Tridentine Mass are so miniscule compared to the number of regular parishes that it's an enormous statistical sleight of hand to pretend, say, that as 50% increase in TLM attendance demonstrates something of value against a 10% decline in regular mass attendance if a diocese or region has two or three TLM parishes and 100 or 130 regular parishes. If you opened one parish where all masses were performed with electronic dance music, and attendance jumped from 50 people to 100 people in a diocese of 500,000 Catholics, it's obviously a huge distortion to purport that the "Rave/Club Mass" was the wave of the future and the way to shore up falling mass attendance.

      The fact is that the supporters and attendees of the TLM mass constitute a tiny fraction of church-going Catholics. Even a sustained increase of the former and decrease in the latter doesn't constitute a trend that in some way means the liturgy of Paul VI-mass parishes is defective. For example, a simple difference that TLM churchgoers have a fertility rate 3-5 children per woman whilst ordinary Catholics have a fertility rate of 1-2 children per woman would obviously equate to an increase in the absolute numbers of TLM mass parishes. That, simply put, is not an argument for the efficacious or qualitative superiority of the Tridentine Mass over the Mass of Paul VI.

      In conclusion, I still don't see your point, and I take issue that your appeal to the masses constitutes an argument. If parishes with rave music and strobe lights saw a 1,000% increase in attendance, you'd be hard-pressed to tout Rave Masses as liturgically superior than other liturgical forms based on that statistic alone, especially if the numbers involved an increase of 0.1% of churchgoers to 1.0% of churchgoers. Your argument is not an issue of ecclesiology or hermeneutics of liturgical principles, but rather a misapplication of statistical and societal trends against a very narrow and specific issue.

      Chicken pax,
      L.G.B.T.

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  14. August 15, 2015 at 9:27 AM..."Mark, Rorate Coeli HATES Pope Francis. Open your eyes and read what they write. If you agree with them, then despite all your unctuous pseudo-pious baloney, you hate him too. You should all just join SSPX, schismatics and sedevacantists, and leave Christ's Holy Catholic Church alone. Wake up!"

    I don't know as to whether Rorate Caeli hates His Holiness Pope Francis. They have praised him several times.

    Anyway, Rorate Caeli doesn't speak for me. I love His Holiness Pope Francis. He is my chief spiritual father. I am his sinful, mistake-prone son.

    This past Good Friday via the Traditional Roman Liturgy's beautiful prayer for the Pope, I was happy to have prayed the solemn pray in question.

    Pax.

    Mark Thomas

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  15. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJWrTwo7XyE

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  16. "Your argument is not an issue of ecclesiology or hermeneutics of liturgical principles, but rather a misapplication of statistical and societal trends against a very narrow and specific issue."

    My argument isn't even, if you will, my argument. My argument against the Novus Ordo is the argument delineated in 1967 A.D. by the majority of bishop who attended the Extraordinary Synod of Bishops.

    Monsignor Bugnini, the chief architect of the Novus Ordo (approved, of course, by Pope Blessed Paul VI), authored the book The Reform of the Liturgy — 1948-1975.

    In his book, Monsignor Bugnini stated that during the above-mentioned 1967 A.D., he had been authorized by Pope Blessed Paul VI to offer the Novus Ordo to bishops present at the Synod.

    Monsignor Bugnini acknowledged that the majority of bishops in question reacted in horror to the New Mass. One bishop after another predicted that if implement, the Novus Ordo would empty their churches.

    They were correct.

    The undeniable fact is that as soon as the Novus Ordo was implemented, tens of millions of Catholics reacted to the Mass by their having left the Church.

    In 1967 A.D., the majority of bishops who were present at the first offering in history of the Novus Ordo had sounded the warning that the new Mass would spur a massive amount of Catholics to lose interest in the Church.

    My argument against the Novus Ordo is simply the argument offered by the majority of bishops in 1967 A.D. who had assessed the New Mass correctly.

    Pax.

    Mark Thomas

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  17. Mark... BULLSHIT.

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  18. LookingGlassBulgarianTraffic, we simply disagree with each other's explanation as to the horrific drop in Latin Church liturgical attendance.

    During his November 26, 1969 A.D. General Audience acknowledged that the Novus Ordo Mass that he was to impose upon the Church would jolt the religious sensibilities of the Latin Church Faithful.

    Again, the majority of Bishops at the 1967 A.D. Extraordinary Synod rejected the Novus Ordo as a Mass that would empty parishes.

    The Church operates under the principle of Lex orandi, lex credendi. Alter the Liturgy and you will alter the practice of the Faith.

    For Catholics, liturgy is the highest focus of sacred worship. Catholic identity flows from liturgy.

    The Novus Ordo was watered-down for ecumenical purposes. Various prayers as well as "hardcore" Scriptures were reworded or excised from the Novus Ordo. Certain sacred actions in the TLM ar absent in the Novus Ordo.

    The Mass is the great teacher of the Faith. It is primarily from liturgy that Catholics learn to think and act in Catholic fashion. It is from liturgy that Catholics very much receive Catholic identity. The Novus Ordo simply lacks the powerful sense of Catholic identity that flows from the TLM.

    There is a reason as to why progressives go to great lengths to prevent celebrations of TLMs. They are aware that the TLM instills Catholics with a powerful sense of Catholic identity. The TLM is too "Catholic" for progressives.

    Anyway, Novus Ordo Mass attendance continues to plummet almost everywhere throughout the world. Novus Ordo-only religious orders are dying almost everywhere throughout the Church. Churches and seminaries are closing almost everywhere.

    It is almost only within dioceses governed by the likes of a Bishop Morlino (conservative, TLM-friendly) where one finds numerous vocations to the priesthood and religious life.

    As Pope Benedict XVI noted, the Church (Novus Ordo) faces virtual death in vast areas of the world. Conversely, TLM parishes, seminaries and religious orders flourish throughout the Church.

    Young Catholics in particular have fueled the tremendous growth of the Traditional Latin Mass throughout the Church. Deo gratias!

    Pax.

    Mark Thomas

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  19. LookingGlassBulgarian said..."Factors such as secularization, church scandal, suburbanization, rise of mass media, the sexual revolution, and other issues that had nothing to do with the church have changed the postmodern western world so rapidly. It seems that attributing the decline of mass attendance, which is an expression of explicit religious sentiment, has much more to do with the cultural factors that have led to a widespread decline of religious attendance across many denominations. It would different if only Catholicism experienced a decline, but this is not the case. Other than novelties or gimmicks produced by pentecostalist, fundamentalist, and evangelical churches, more established religions have all taken a hit in the 20th and early 21st century."

    Why have the above factors not laid waste to TLM communities? Why have Traditional Latin Mass communities flourished in the face of factors that have supposedly played a role in the emptying of Novus Ordo communities?

    As far as "pentecostalist, fundamentalist, and evangelical churches" are concerned, they have flourished while "mainstream" (definition: liberal) Protestant communities have faced virtual death throughout the world.

    Why?

    Pax.

    Mark Thomas

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    1. Mark... BULLSHIT

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    2. Mark, a little further, what is this term 'NovusOrdo' that you continue to parrot ad nauseam?

      Your church recognizes an Ordinary Form and an Extraordinary Form.

      Why do you persist in demeaning those not in lacy lockstep with you and yesteryear?

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    3. Mark... BULLSHIT

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    4. If I could analyse your reply a little - bullshit. I gather you are talking about the droppings of a bull, no? A bull's droppings are a natural God-made fertiliser that helps the planet to grow and germinate from season to season. Without the natural droppings of a bull the planet would cease to function as the planet we know it. I think that is what Pope Francis was getting at in his encyclical Laudato Si. He was saying Si to bulls' droppings. He was saying "Si" to bull. But to quote another good Italian saying, "Ciao, baby, let's call it a day".

      Pax

      Mark Thomas

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  20. "Mark, a little further, what is this term 'NovusOrdo' that you continue to parrot ad nauseam? Your church recognizes an Ordinary Form and an Extraordinary Form.
    Why do you persist in demeaning those not in lacy lockstep with you and yesteryear?"

    Novus Ordo or Novus Ordo Missae is the term that Pope Blessed Paul VI used in 1969 A.D. in regard to the New Mass.

    I don't demean anybody. I do my best in the Blogosphere and in face-to-face life to treat respectfully each person whom I encounter.

    I only read regularly five or six Catholic blogs. I post regularly only to this blog and a blog that is also run by a priest. If you could cite examples from either blog of my having demeaned anybody, then I will offer without hesitation my apologies to that person or persons. Thank you.

    By the way, I don't ask anybody to march in lockstep with me. I am a sinner. I am a nobody. I simply do my best to march in lockstep with Holy Mother Church.

    March in lockstep with the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

    Pax.

    Mark Thomas

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    1. Mark... BULLSHIT

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    2. Anonymous, I have already expanded on the term "Bull's shit" but perhaps I got it wrong. Perhaps you mean instead "Bulls' shit". But then that is the same just extra turds from more than one bull. However, as I am only one person then, on reflection, I feel that the term "bullshit" perhaps describes better what I think it is you are trying to ascribe to me. In reality I suppose it means that you disagree with me. That is a perfectly legitimate stance for you to take under the circumstances. Could you perhaps give me a slightly longer analysis of what I have had to say than "bullshit". I feel that if we could engage a little on the topic then I am sure that you might understand - have a lightbulb moment if you will - more of what I am saying and that the term "bull's droppings" to soften the language a little doesn't really adequately sum up what I have been trying to explain to you.

      Pax.

      Mark Thomas

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    3. Mark, I will admit to being the BS sayer and trust that you will be good enough to understand that debating with you can be quite frustrating...

      You can see that we have a slight problem with some children messing around with our various identities. I will be personally solving the problem by setting a blogger ID with a token to show identity much as Fr. D has the photo and Patrick has his outdoor scene... It won't necessarily stop our names/screen handles from being abused but it will help authenticate what is being said here under our names.

      I will be taking about ten days off from posting here and will return with a blogger ID.

      Best regards...

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    4. I don't know why interacting with me can be frustrating. I express my opinions. I don't speak caustically to people who disagree with me.

      As to certain folks using our screen names...I don't know what's going on.

      I read Father's thread on the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary and he and various posters were upset with three lengthy messages that I had "posted"...except that I didn't post said messages.

      How do we create a blogger ID on Father's blog. Thank you.

      Pax.

      Mark Thomas

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  21. Mark Thomas is my favourite Fr. D contributor. I browse the comments in part just to see what he has to say on a given day. I imagine Mark with a deadpan face while everyone shouts "bullshit" at him.

    Fr. D, each time you make a long post like this, I figure you've outdone yourself... until you do it again. So much entertainment.

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  22. Fr D's blog wouldn't be the same with Mark T. He's the only one who makes an iota of sense!

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